Oct 25, 2017
Extremely excited to be interviewing Howard Straus, a force of nature in the plant-based real food world and a major influencer in the Gerson Therapy movement.

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hi everyone I'm Nicola Trichet CEO and founder of the green moustache where we
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have six locations that sir but in a bunch of organic plant-based Whole Foods
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real food that's not processed comes straight from the garden we turn it into
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beautiful salads soups cold-pressed juices smoothies desserts and we strive to make use healthy this medicine so I'm
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so excited to be here today because we have Howard Straus with us and for any
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of you that haven't heard of Howard Straus he is the grandson of dr. max Gerson but this isn't an interview about
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dr. max Gerson this is an interview about the force of nature his grandson who is an incredible man doing things
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for the you know for almost 75 years this we're gonna let Howard get into all
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the wonderful things that he's been doing and as many of you know the whole entire reason I started the green
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mustache was because of the Gerson Therapy and learning about the Gerson Therapy and the power of plant-based
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food real food clean food to be able to heal the body of cancer and chronic
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illness now I've been doing this work for about ten years ten years before
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that I was in the environmental sector you know really focusing on the planet and then I moved into human health and
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here we have Howard stars who's going to talk about his adventures in the world
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of using food as medicine as well from his perspective so thank you Howard for being here with us today it's our first
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day ever with richer health consulting actually doing one of these Facebook live be live TV interviews where we get
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to connect I feel like I'm in your office you might feel like you're in mine and we get to share our
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conversation with the world so thank you for being here it's a great honor thank you very much for having me
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Nicholas great so why don't the beginning because I'm really fascinated
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yeah but I was really I love the fact that
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you actually lived with a max gerson in your grandmother as well and went to the
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Waldorf School in New York City that's right when I was when I when I was in
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well when I was about six or seven years old I was I was just on a kind of a
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borderline and I was just almost too old for the previous grade and I was not
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quite old enough for the next grade so they put me in the second grade and I
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was I was ready mentally I was ready for the third grade and so but then no
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matter no matter how much my mother begged and pleaded the you know policy is policy in New York and and I went
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into the second grade where I was bored out of my skull I was spelling at the fifth grade level when I was in
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kindergarten okay and I was bored out of my skull so my
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mother said okay I went to a Waldorf School when I was in Kassel Germany and
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I know there's one here in New York City I'll take you over there so she took me over to the Waldorf School in New York
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City and they gave me some tests and math and reading and everything else and
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I scored way above the grade level and so they they said yes well you know we
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could put him in the third grade and we'll put him in the third grade but I do want to warn you he's not quite
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emotionally up to the upper stuff and if
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you think he can handle it we'll do it so I went in the third grade so I skipped the grade right there and
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and so I was in the third grade in Waldorf School where I learned how to knit then I learned how to learn how to
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recognize Greek letters so we we would read Winnie the Pooh in in Latin with
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Winnie the Pooh and we would read we
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read stories in English but with Greek letters so so we got to like you know
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recognize Greek letters and there was the knitting and and weaving and
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give me and all kinds of you know fun stuff this is fun for a kid this is not school this is fun and and I went
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through waldorf school to the until the sixth grade when because in meperidine
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on Long Island and my my grandparents lived four blocks away from the waldorf school so i lived with my grandparents
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for several years while i was going to waldo school and then spent weekends
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with my parents out in Long Island but then they wanted me they wanted me living with them so they put me in a
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they put me in a school a day school closer to go closer to their home and it
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was just a school whose good school but at the school and so seventh eighth and
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ninth grade seventh seventh and eighth grades I went there and then then they
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then then they that Waldorf school started a ninth grade started a high school and so they started that chest
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before I this before I got to ninth grade and so I went ninth tenth eleventh
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and twelfth grades to the Waldorf School and from there I went to MIT Wow so for
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anybody who doesn't know and hasn't put the link together Charlotte Gerson is Howard's mother okay so that's who he
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was talking about when he said that she had gone to Walter school in Germany so you know and Howard you know I have
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three girls and my husband was also a Walter teacher and my three girls go to the Walter school here in Whistler said
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we know the struggles that exist in Walter schools when there's you know not enough high schools and so we've been
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here for the last few years and I'm so grateful to this full neck their first
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graduating class actually in granted who years ago and I think there was two or
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three students I graduated in grade 12 and now this year I think there's gonna be about you know hopefully about 10
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kids that graduate out of the list of all their school so it is a growing process I just want to ask you about
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that because we are gonna dive into what you did after Walter you know you know you were you know I'll give it
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away that you went to MIT and you know your thought your grandfather max gerson was a bit of a genius right like he
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could have gone into almost any field he wanted to go in and he chose medicine which back in those days like 100 years
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ago more than that actually when he was graduating from med school but you know it was kind of looked down upon to
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choose medicine back then compared to like going and becoming a historian or a physicist or any of the other things
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that he could have been at that time but I've heard him the fact that he's been considered you know a genius of all
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areas and I think that he is definitely has translated through to your mother and as well to you as well dr. Gerson
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dr. Gerson was acknowledged by not only his not only his math teacher at
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gymnasium the high school and that he went to and in his small hometown but
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when when he when he answered an exam question in a way that the the teacher
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didn't understand the teacher sent the sent the solution to Berlin to a
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mathematics professor at the University of Berlin and the and the the professor
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said wow this student has figured out a new way of solving this problem and he's
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a he's a genius he ought to be a mathematician and and of course you know
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when the family when the family considered it they they they considered the prospects
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for a young Jewish boy in Germany unfortunately Jewish and and they looked
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around then they saw no university professors who were Jewish in mathematics then and they said well
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that's that's sort of a dead end where you know the most you can ever be is a chem nauseum teacher or high school
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teacher and that's you know we want more prospects for you than that
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and he had also shown a propensity for for healing and for taking care of
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things when his friends were injured you know when in in play he would be the one
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to bind them up and to tend their wounds so so they said what do you think about medicine and he said okay why not
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because he was he was fine with medicine and he could literally choose anything
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at all and so he went into medicine and became this beyond genius where Albert
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Schweitzer called him the most eminent medical genius ever which is pretty stunning when he when he should have
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gone into mathematics to begin when he came to New York City while he was
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studying English because he didn't speak English while he was studying English he
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invented the jet engine Wow never acknowledged for it but but he drew out
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the principles for a jet engine he was studying English just an and the side
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table and place while he was healing people of chronic illnesses and cancer at the same time okay so let's get back
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to you and Waldorf and I and you don't know we'll ask you this afterwards but as we draw the you know what it's like
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to live in the world when you've gone to Walter school because it's kind of like the world that you're in with plant-based medicine where it's a you
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know it's an old concept right you know learning waldorf is like teaching and educating the entire being of the child
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and plant-based healing and whole foods real foods healing is also about you
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know supporting the whole entire body all systems are connected so after waldorf okay so we're I'm sure
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people questioned your parents decision to send you to weld or if they probably I'm imagining thought that it was a
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crazy continent who was gonna who was going to really who's gonna really
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question them I mean my grandparents excuse me they sent her to Walt art school but the general public that we
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even haven't here where people think like it's a religious school or that it's just all play and there's no career
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maybe it may be all play but that's a wonderful way for children to learn exactly because they really internalize
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it and it's conceptual in in context and yeah and it indicates the whole entire child so here you are you graduate from
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the Walters School in New York City and then you where'd you head off to you after that then I dived into ice-cold
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water that was like I mean the Waldorf
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School was a warm embrace and MIT MIT was like ice cold water and that was a
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huge awakening I had never never experienced anything like it I mean Waldorf School made learning fun
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MIT was the most difficult thing I ever had to do in comparison with my
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capabilities and it was just overwhelming as a matter of fact even
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after I graduated MIT I was relatively mediocre average at MIT which is not a
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shame by the way I graduated MIT I had
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nightmares about that education for at least 10 years afterwards it was it was
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like post-traumatic stress disorders unbelievably difficult for me and but it
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was but having gone through that and having survived it nothing else in my
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life has ever been as difficult right right I chose to those levels and if we
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can survive it in a healthy way and get through it then you know it teaches us a lot for sure and you just actually made
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me realize I'm like why isn't there well Dirk University somewhere like you know maybe in saccharine near Sacramento
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there's a Waldorf University absolutely for Waldorf teachers you bet oh my
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goodness okay so for people who want to become while their teachers they can go to Wow Wow okay that's amazing so and
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you went to MIT and what did you study there nuclear physics right okay know
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what what made you want to go into nuclear physics well method mathematics was just too too
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esoteric and abstract you know being a water student
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I was much more interested in stuff you could pick up hold look at drop and
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break you know whereas mathematics it all took place
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there there was nothing you could ever touch engineering was a little too close
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to the you know the real world where all you were dealing with was you know like
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structural members and stresses on bolts and you know things like that and it
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didn't appeal to me at all and the the the best the first and closest natural
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science to mathematics that where you could actually touch something with
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physics and so and so I thought that that appealed to me that appealed to me
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what was it I just wanted to jump into so after living with your grandparents and living with you know dr. max Gerson
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where I know you told me stories about how you'd be at the dinner table in patients that show up and you know you regularly just desk coffee enemas at the
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table the same thing that we're adding about coffee enemas and my kids just
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rolled their eyes now it had you ever considered medicine at all no I had my
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grand my grandfather was very very interested in me becoming a you know
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following him into medicine but but I you know at the time my understanding
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was only that you know you'd spend your days around sick people and that didn't
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somehow that didn't appeal to me you know as a 15 year old you know it just I just couldn't wrap my mind around it I I
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didn't I didn't have any idea of the massive genius I was living with okay
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and also you didn't realize that you would eventually end up helping people anyway like you know I was focused on
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technology science so so so I you know I
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continued on with you know at MIT with the physics and then physics led led me
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to to use computers as a tool and the computers turned out to be a lot more
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fun than physics because that was instant gratification and and you know
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you could actually do something with you know where as physics was evolving more and more towards astrophysics or or
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particle physics and once again here with it who is evolved evolving into something that I could never touch
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astrophysics you're dealing with things which are a million light years away and particle physics you're dealing with
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things that have a lifespan of you know ten to the minus ten seconds impossible
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so that was you know that was kind of out of my Waldorf mindset to begin with
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and so I so I went into computers which was kind of fun it was like playing all
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day long with my mind like solving puzzles which I like and and my mother
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and I used to go up into high oKed or middle branches of high oak trees of a summer Sunday afternoon and do the New
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York Times Sunday crossword puzzle that was you know and to this day to this day
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I am addicted to the New York Times Sunday crossword puzzle which I nedd do in ink and I'm disgusted when I can't
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finish the whole thing when you okay so
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you were you know cuz I want to get a little bit into just knowing what it was like for you growing up going through
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all now nerve your mother Charlotte she from what I understand she was quite sick actually when she was a young girl
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and so her dad max person put her on the Gerson Therapy essentially which she was still you know unraveling and
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discovering is this this is correct right this is what and when she was twelve because of his constant contact
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with tuberculosis patients and because of the fact that they were at the time
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that by this time they were Jewish refugees not living in their own space
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and not eating their own food not not having a whole lot of control over their over their own environment so so she
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actually contracted bone tuberculosis in her right leg just below the knee there
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was a hole in her bone and at the time that would have been a
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fatal disease because that was before antibiotics so so but but Gerson was
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quite well versed in curing tuberculosis he just made sure to keep her on a very
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very strict Gerson Therapy and and her tuberculosis healed up just fine now
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she's like 96 years old 80 84 years she survived that and she's still going
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strong now your sister Margaret she just told me a funny story about how you know
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they live in Italy and they live in this beautiful community they actually have someone who juices it's them and help
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prepare their meals and she was mentioning to Margaret was such thing how her husband came in the other day
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when somebody had baked them these homemade cookies that you know not they're not a Gerson cookie and so he
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came in and he's like oh you do want to taste this cookie because you know it's so delicious come on mo me or 96 years old eight of
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eight and you can just have half a cookie and she's like do you want me to be half dead like she is such a strong
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woman no prisoners no she does it and
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you know and it's funny in this world where people you know they're they're looking to heal themselves sometimes they hit rock bottom and then they find
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the Earth's in therapy and then they choose to do the Gerson Therapy because they realize it's the only thing that's gonna actually heal them right the
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medications haven't worked the surgeries haven't worked and they're still really really sick and even when they're doing
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that their period they heal from the fair therapy afterwards they're like so how long am I supposed to eat this clean real food from and I just think it's so
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amazing that your mum like won't even take half a cookie and she's lived on this therapy her entire life like pretty
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much since she was sick right no since before that because when when she was
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when she was a little three-year-old you know she would go bouncing around in the
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backyard my grandfather had his office in the front room and the family lived in the back of the house and and sometimes one
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of one of his patients one of his former patients would look at the diet that he was prescribing and say well how
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can a person live on this as you've heard of sure this there's no meat
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there's no no protein how can they live on this and he says I want to show you something I want to show you someone who
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has lived on this her entire life without any break as has lived on this
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her entire life ludie and he would call back to the backyard and she loved this she loved to
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be summoned then from the backyard and come in all dirty from you know playing in the dirt and everything and bounce on
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Daddy's lap and he was this robust little three-year-old and he'd say this
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is someone who lives exactly as I'm telling you how does she look that she looked healthy does she look like robust
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and and and full of energy in the nineteen like when this is 1920s born in
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1922 right so this is like 1925 and now it's 2017 and he was you know advocating
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this beautiful nutrient-rich toxic-free plant-based predominantly diet back then
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and you know people are still having that same conversation that this gentleman had right like can you live off of this food and she looked on it
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for pretty much 96 years of her life absolutely and and that's you know
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that's how she has always lived so and
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like like me and but the but here's here's a here's an interesting thing we both know both my mother and I know that
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that we are that we have very weak constitutions we are not genetically
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strong I'm not a Viking I come from I'm
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six five five yeah my wife is a Viking
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you know so she can she can live she can live eating this stuff and you know and
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survive I can't if I if I eat the way my wife eats
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for so much as a week I know I can't do it so so my mother and I both know that
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we have very weak genetics she had migraines when she was a child she had tuberculosis when she was a
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child and and she should have died right
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I've had III have kind of a hereditary anemia that's that my grandfather was
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always you know trying to feed me stuff for I grew up on liver juice when I was
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10 years old my mom used liver and onions
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yeah well but but but but Here I am and so I I know that I have that I have
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that I'm I have to take care of myself much better than those people around me
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do because they're stronger than I am and if I don't take care of myself I end
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up sick much faster than they do right but you were 75 years old on credit and
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in the best health of my life everything everything works my joints
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all work my my brain works I I hope you think my brain my brain is really ours
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and learn so much from you your memory is great my brain works my joints work
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my you know I'm fully fully functional I am nowhere close to sitting in a
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retirement home no and you're 75 years old which is not what a lot of 75 year olds can say because we have now a
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society where people are hitting 30 like I mean I work with some of my clients who are 27 years old and they're needing
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hysterectomies because they have endometriosis and fibroids that are so terrible that they can't even function they can't work you know they can't ski
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they can't play they can't really do anything and so you know this you know even if you have a weak genetic
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Constitution at 75 years old though you are vibrant and healthy which just goes
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to show that you know the power in the eating the way that you have it I'm gonna get you to describe what your
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it is like and I want you in your words like I want our audience to hear what the Gerson Therapy is because people
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like to you know think about the Gerson Therapy and then they're like oh I googled it and you know it there's no
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way anybody can live off of this or it's just quackery or it's you know there's no way it works my doctors never heard of this but at the end of the day it
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really is just food like clean real food so you've lived on this clean real you
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know plant-based protein foods you know the organic diet I'm assuming you always
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purchase organic only only organic right does not make sense to purchase other
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other types of commercially grown product because it's what I would call
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food phu de which is like it sounds like food and they look like food but it
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ain't food food it's phu de food right so so in reference to what you were
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saying before about me having weak genetics and still being strong well I
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consider genetics the hand you're dealt change your genetics you were born that
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way you have a certain amount of spirals and various things in your DNA and
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that's that that's that right but your your health status is the result of how
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you play that hand right so if you if
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you are stupid and playing the best the best hand of cards in your life then
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you're not going to win the game but if you're a smart in playing a mediocre or
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even poor hand you can win and that's that's my that's my basis for her for
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life it's with the can you summarize I
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want to hear in your words and I want our audience to hear in your words because you've lived at your whole entire life your mum's lived at her
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entire life not my entire life oh not your entire life tell me about your book
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I went off to college I mean you know
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you don't listen to your mom when you're in do you know you gotta you gotta find out
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what beer tastes like you've got a you know you gotta have steak with the guys right you gotta have you gotta have
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fried chicken when everybody goes out for fried chicken or pizza or something yeah and and I wish to heck that I that
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I had not because if I had lived like this instead even if it had been
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possible if I had lived like this my brain work would have been a lot easier
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than it ended up being yeah and I did the same thing to when I was in high
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school and I started making my own pocket money plate from babysitting and working part-time jobs I would like live to go to the vending
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machine like I thought the vending machine was such a novel concept because I had only grown up on plant-based foods
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and organic foods from farms and my mum always had a garden she always cooked from scratch I think the only time I had
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processed food was when at one point clearly my parents probably didn't have a lot of money when the interest rates like raised to like eighteen percent in
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the early 80s and we had powdered milk like you know that was you know but it was for such a very short time and I
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remember just how bad my mum felt that she was always like chopping vegetables and you know making everything from
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scratch but when I got into high school I was like oh I'm gonna go get those ketchup chips and you know it's four
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bars but you know for me who had always been such a healthy kid I ended up like breaking out an acne and then having
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terrible PMS and I was like okay this sucks I can't and then I just went back to eating clean real food by the time I
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hit about 17 and then from there on in like I've always been like you know knock on wood incredibly healthy so yeah
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I wanted to know so when you're growing up obviously with your grandfather you were eating clean
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real food Gerson style and then why not to MIT and tell me about that experience
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eating that food well then I started eating you know the standard American
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diet with with my fraternity brothers and I you know I didn't know the
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difference about how my brain would have been working had it been had I been eating properly so I just did the best
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best I could and I ended up pretty mediocre but you know and and I
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and then I got married to a wonderful a wonderful cook she was a gourmet cook
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and you know she she made the most wonderful dishes and and I was I gained
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weight and then I went into the Navy and the Navy saucier doesn't feed you that
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way so and then you know so so it was many years in between that I was not
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paying attention right I put on 4050 pounds and I started losing my hair in
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clumps and you know going Mike drain was always was always clogged up and I had
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adult acne and you know various different various different things when
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I when I met the woman I am now married to my wonderful wife we just celebrated
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our 20th wedding anniversary when I when I met her we we just had a wonderful
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time she was also a gourmet chef she just a feeder or she just loved it you
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know and so so I was you know not doing
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all that great as far as physically was concerned and then we decided to get
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married because I thought this was the lady I'd like to spend the rest of my life with and we decided to get married
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and three months before our wedding she came down with her third occurrence of
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skin cancer third okay so recurrent how
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did she treat it the last two times well she had surgery once and and she had surgery a couple of times because
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they caught it early but she still you know they caught it they she still had cancer right and now she had a lesion on
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her ankle and it was skin cancer again and she she's she's a blonde and and she
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has you know her mother was a nurse so everything got treated with antibiotics
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or trips to the doctor and yeah she had cancer the first time when she was 24
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years old and the second time when she was 25 and here she was 42 I think and she got it
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for the third time and that was that was
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not good that was not good so what do I do here's who's the lady I'm about to marry
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I'm crazy about and do I take her to a regular doctor no I know what they do
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no of course not I take her to a regular doctor do I walk away no this is the
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lady I decided I wanted to weld my life to forever so no I just have to walk
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right straight through it and so we do what I believe in and what and what we
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do as a family I took her down to my mother's clinic in Mexico and put her on
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the therapy and and in the in your words
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what the therapy is so just so the readers you don't end listeners who don't know anything about Gerson Therapy and they're hearing this for the first
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time they get to know what it is everything all all food is organic salt
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free fat free
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and-and-and-and fresh unprocessed no no can bottle boxed anything is all all
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fresh and organic salt free fat free food vegan vegan which means no animal
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products or whatever no milk no eggs no cream no no ice cream no nothing and
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13:13 fresh pressed juices every every day so every hour a new juice appears
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and you have to drink it before you put the cup down you do not put a cup down with juice in it you want it as fresh as
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possible so that you know one of the staff that the at the clinic would would
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wrap at your door and say juice and you open the door and she hands it with
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juice and you must drink right away and my mother my mother when
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she was sitting consulting with patients and she would see a patient put a juice
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down on the table she would oh she would never let that patient forget it
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a patient would never do that again and I remember meeting well Charlotte came
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down to the clinic with us when I was doing my training in the Gerson Therapy and I got to see her in action at the
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clinic and she would drive herself in this big like Cadillac or something like this like across the border the Tijuana
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border and into Mexico and go to the clinic and then her and her robust feistiness like that woman is like the
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epitome of grace and like power like she's incredible and she would go in there and I saw her interact in the
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kitchen with the chef's like telling them what to do and making sure they were doing it right and you know talking with the patients as well and they would
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ask questions like well can't I have just a little bit of you know and she'd be like absolutely not like it was
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amazing to watch and actually there's no like you eat organic plant-based clean
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foods non-processed a hundred percent of the time like there's no ifs ands or buts about that and that were injured
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unless you want unless you want to die and if you want to die I'm wasting my time here
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yeah and in the training I remember somewhat one of the students said well what about Celtic sea salt and Himalayan
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crystal salt and she's like is that sodium and they're like well yeah it's sodium but it's the good sodium and
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she's like there is no kid sodium the good sodium comes from your food and it comes from like the vegetables that you
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eat you don't need to add any extra stuff and she was like only if you want to die would you eat that I love sodium sodium is the class the
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class of substance it is it's a poison it is a poison it's an enzyme inhibitor and that's another word for poisons
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exactly so it's really important for a guest to understand you know when we're talking about salts we're talking about
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sodium we're not talking about potassium magnesium like there's lots of different salts and our body needs you know a
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little bit of sodium but it can come naturally from the food but that we do eat nature has made it it put it in
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perfect balance in our food but we need high amounts of potassium to sodium so don't get yourselves confused okay so at
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the end of the day the Celtic sea salt the Himalayan crystal salt it's still sodium chloride at the end of the day
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with minerals but you can get your minerals from your food and sodium sodium is bad enough but remember you
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said something else besides that what salt is made of yes sodium chloride ah chlorine is also
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a very dangerous chemical to have in your body chloride chlorine attacks your
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thyroid exactly and we live in a society where you know every single one of my
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clients comes to me on thyroid medication on synthroid and they don't get better it's not like they get off their synthroid like they just hit their
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dosages increase and there's thyroids are shutting down and the minute and I know max gerson recognized that early on
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that you know with his patients he saw that they had under active thyroid and and that they were quite sick from that
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but getting them off the salts for sure and switching over that plant-based diet would restore the natural process of the
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thyroid that's right it does so okay so then you went off to I'm okay no so we
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went so so there's the thirteen juices a day there's a three big vegan meal
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served buffet-style so you can eat as much as you want because after all the food is the therapy so and and when
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people when people are when people have a chronic disease they have a chronic
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disease because they are not only toxic which we talked about with salt and other poisons but also they are
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deficient so they're starving their bodies are starving and so they don't
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they don't recognize it because at the you know when they arrive they are also so toxic that they don't they don't have
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much appetite because they're just toxic but when you start cleaning that toxicity out and that's five coffee
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enemas per day five or more if you need
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them when you start cleaning that toxicity out then suddenly this mask
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gets removed and they can see this huge yawning gap in of their nutrition which
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they which they have you know they have not fed themselves they've not fed their needs
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and so they have this huge yawning hole in their nutrition and they experience
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that as incredible hunger it's like especially clients who are you
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know let's say 60 ish and above and they're just like oh I just need my banana and my tea and biscuits for lunch
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like that's all they eat they're not eating anything and they say oh I'm not hungry I don't need very much but it's actually like their grain has told and
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their gut has told their body like Dhoni we don't have the energetic capacity to digest food so just don't put food in me
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like there so it's almost like they're so weak that they can't handle food so their brain just says don't eat but then
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three months into the therapy I love watching it happen where they're like you know they've got this massive plate of food and like this is not eating like
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the birds people like these are big plates of delicious amazing food and they're just like horribly can I have
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another bowl of soup can i it's awesome to watch their appetites come back and their digestion kick in and they
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actually move the waste out of their body and move the food in it's like really fun to watch that happen I was
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I ran a clinic in Sedona Arizona and I I remember one patient in particular she
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was a little small little lady from Cincinnati Ohio she was maybe a maybe in her 50s and she had breast cancer and
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they had they had done all kinds of operations that they had riri connected
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muscles here and there that weren't functioning so they she was a mess total
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mess and she was eating nothing she was you know she weighed a hundred pounds maybe soaking wet and and she came in
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and the first couple of days she was not doing too great she was not liking the
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food and and she started getting detoxed
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suddenly she became the black hole of Calcutta she she would go back and she
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would take she would take as many plates of food as she could until they finally
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closed the buffet and took it away and then as they were closing it down and taking it away she'd snag a couple of
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baked potatoes to take back to her room I love it that's awesome and so your
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wife was down at the clinic here so the clinic in Mexico and she's eating this food is she enjoying the foods because
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she didn't wasn't had more important or what it your wife yeah yeah I mean she was she was you know she
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she knew what because she knew that that if she if she rejected that she was
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rejecting a huge basic part of me and I probably probably would reconsider
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marrying her so she stated the clinic
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for how long she said three weeks and then and then we came back home and she
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did it she did the therapy perfectly for the next six months and in the middle of
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which we got married that was morning eight years ago that was twenty eight years ago so clearly her cancer went
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away attack the cancer got rid of it and
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she's been she's been thriving yeah she's been thriving ever since and and
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every now and then I mean she's kind of drifted back to you know some of the
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things she enjoyed like wine and and and fish and so forth but a couple of years
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ago as it may be a year ago she noticed that there was another there was a lesion on her arm and she went to she
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went to her dermatologist and he said oh yeah that's basal cell carcinoma we can
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we can do a little operation and as soon as we get clean edges or clean margins
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right you'll be okay and when she heard the word clean margins she knows what that
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means that means it just keeps expanding right hacking hacking away yeah her eyes
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went like that she said I know exactly what I have to do and she did it and a
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month later she went to her dermatologist who was gone and you know
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is how fast the body heals right like the body's just like give me good stuff and I'll heal myself right all of us
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every single one of alive today is the end result of a million years of evolution and survival
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of them under the most difficult conditions possible earthquakes fires floods wars plagues tsunamis etc Donald
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Trump you know so so so we've survived and and long before there were doctors
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long before there were pharmaceutical companies and we you know our bodies know how to do that given given the vast
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array of things around us the body knows
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what to go after to heal itself it knows and and and it's way more powerful than
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we ever imagined way more powerful and it does things powerfully and quickly all by itself you
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don't have to stimulate the immune system it's there it's that's raring to go all you have to do is give it fuel
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feels like it's like a Ferrari if it's sitting there with no gas in the tank you're not going anywhere but if you put
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the right fuels in and the right lubricant or lubricants in it's gonna leave everything else on the dust and
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that's exactly the way our body works now the thing is okay so I went back to
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school six years ago and I did all my pre-med science courses because I was just so fascinated by the Gerson Therapy
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and you know and I definitely like I was writing papers on cancer in agriculture and soil depletion and nutrients back
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when I was 19 but I didn't really understand it like I was looking at it more from prevention not from a curative
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like let's heal the body after it's been diseased and you know after the disease has manifested as cancer or another
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chronic disease so and 15 almost 20 years ago a friend of mine also he was
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sent me too at the time he was diagnosed with stage four cancer prostate cancer and you know they've given him about
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three months and he said no to the chemo with the radiation the surgery and he went and did the Gerson Therapy and you
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know that was 22 years ago or 20 years ago and you know and he was thriving like that whole entire time eating this
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amazing food so now um you know fast forward and here we are and I know your
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grandfather was you know pretty much having these same conversations a hundred years go and your mother alter the last you
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know ninety-six years as well and here we are so you must encounter people all the time they don't have a science
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background they don't have any knowledge about how their bodies work like them you know we're still discovering things
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about the immune system now that we had no idea about like we just discovered three years ago that we have spiders
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living in the pores of our skin like these little tiny arachnoid male and female and you know they can't get out
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of balance and if they do then you get things like rosacea and skin issues like science you know I often say to in
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workshops into my clients like are you gonna wait for science to catch up with us like our bodies know already what to
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do but just because we haven't proven it you know does that mean you wouldn't want to just put clean food into your
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body so what do you say to people who you know just don't believe that food is medicine and that food can heal cancer
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and reverse cancer and stop cancer like what do you have you interact with these people and it's something I struggle with if I can't you know if they don't
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want to believe me then why are they talking to me in the first place right and if they really don't want to believe
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me and if they really want to pull in and use as authorities the people who
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admittedly can't cure cancer right and who have proven over and over
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again with them that that they can't cure their disease then if they really
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want to believe them rather than me all I can say is bye-bye and that's the hard
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part for me is that that's not hard for me at all as you know everybody has a right to die the way they want to die
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yeah that's true that's that's really true and I yeah it was hard for me I
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should say now I definitely because I have so many people coming all the time today I'm just like you know what I can
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share this with you you can do it or not do it and a lot of people they wait till they hit rock bottom before they do something like this you know but really
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it's only been a hundred years of treating our body so poorly with this you know industrialized packaged
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processed food like it we didn't live this way you know you know in the late 1800s like when you know our
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grandmother's used to go out to the garden and pick vegetables and wipe them off on their apron then you know make shots of potato juice
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but the cheeseburger image nothing you know you know just food wise medicine
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and it always has been for thousands and thousands of years like millions of years and here we are now where you note
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as we you know we think that pharmaceutical drugs is medicine when ultimately they're based off of plant
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science you know like all the pharmaceutical drugs anyone that's ever been created has actually created it's a
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synthesized version of what already exists in nature which is so sad so yeah ok so I like that we just say well no it
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move on and you go to the net I wish it were that I wish it were that benign it's not performance the pharmaceuticals
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are specifically or specifically formulated to keep us as sick to make
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and keep us sick because that's where the money is the money is in treating
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disease it's not in curing or preventing disease I mean think about it think about the value proposition we're giving
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doctors here if you're a doctor and I say to you if you keep me healthy I'm
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gonna make you poor because I'm not I'm not sick I'm not gonna visit you right
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same thing with the pharmaceutical companies what do I need your poisonous drugs for if I'm healthy if I'm doing
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good if I'm slightly sick or you know kind of average sick and I visit the doctor
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three four times a year with a cold or I sprained an ankle or I cut myself or
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something like that he's gonna make a decent living like an automobile mechanic right so so if you keep me
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slightly sick or if I'm slightly sick you get a decent living but if you have
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cancer say if you have cancer or heart disease you need a heart-lung transplant right or or you have or you have high
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blood pressure and you're gonna need this pill the rest of your life right or or you're you have eight the adda ADHD
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right and you're turning your child into a zombie right now they're going to get rich because
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you're going to be back in their office every every week every two days getting a new dose getting a new exam with a new
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pain with a new something or other so if you keep me very sick I'll make you rich
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okay what what is that that's the value proposition we give doctors what is it
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that's a no-brainer and the pharmaceutical companies are really the ones that benefit hugely but this is a
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great segue so into China I want to take our audience into China so you went to
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Walter if you went to MIT then you went into the Navy you were into computers
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and coding and programming and all of that in the Navy and then and then after that and so you've had this robust life
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and then tell me so and it and over the so after the Navy what happened after the Navy you I had a 40 year career in
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computers after college at first I worked at IBM then I went in the Navy and worked at my at my local Navy base a
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weather facility a computer weather facility predicting weather and ocean
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conditions and so forth for naval operations and then I went out into Silicon Valley and became a contractor a
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computer contractor and I worked in that industry for a nice long time until that kind of came apart after 9/11 and and I
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had to find something else to do with my life started or I'm sorry that when
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Gerson media started it was it was after that it was considerably after that so
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so then so then I my mother said you know nobody's ever written a biography
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of my father and it's been 50 years and
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the people who knew him are sort of dropping off the edge of the earth I know she was thinking about herself and
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you might want to so I'd like to subsidize you to write your grandfather
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your file your grandfather's biography which is a brilliant book by the way everybody needs to get their hands on
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that coffee we sell it at the green mustache you can buy it online you can but I suggest getting it through Howard starts directly and we'll provide links
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at the end of the show but it is a brilliant book so tell us more about that biography and your grandfather and what that was like to write it so my
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grand my grandmother had written just just a sort of a she had written this
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sort of 70 or 80 page biography of his
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life which double-spaced type written and she's not a she's not a researcher
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she just lived with a man you know and lived with his brilliant brain man and so she wrote this she wrote this
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biography and titled that a life without fear and nothing ever happened with it
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but my mother had it and she said here I have your grandmother's your
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grandmother's outline and maybe you can write you write his biography I'll support you while you do that all right
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well I'd never written a book and the reason I went to MIT rather than some
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Ivy League university is because I did not like to write English I like man you
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know math math you could tell when you were right computers you could tell when you were right and wrong in a bank like
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that hard hard evidence right with English you never know when you're finished you know you never know whether
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it's good or bad well you sort of know whether it's good or bad I know I know some wonderful some writers that are my
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mouth waters when I when I read their stuff but I'll never be like Faulkner if
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you can just get into my mind and take it all and just do whatever you want we think great but to put it into words in
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the English language it's like my biggest struggle so good yeah but I said
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yes I'll yes I'll do it and of course
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writing a biography of this amazing brilliant hugely productive
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who went through World War 1 World War 2 the Holocaust immigration to the United
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States battling with the Rockefeller Foundation the AMA his colleagues and eventual assassination that was that was
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a little more than just a 6-week proposition that was huge is like it's a
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movie like that you know and I know that there is a screenplay that's been written now for the hit the story of max
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person and and if films going to be made which is incredible but yeah that man is like his story needs to be told to the
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world for sure and you so you took that leap to write this dot this memoir or biography and it was it was painful it
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was painful too because because seeing this wonderful gentle brilliant man who
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all he wanted to do was heal people and alleviate their pain and and alleviate
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illness and and get them well and functional again and and all that all
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that his colleagues could think of to do was to assassinate him or stop him somehow or or make him make him into an
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enemy you know or something inimical to him and and he said why but why you know
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here he had the answer he's willing to give it to everybody and and they were
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saying don't you dare you quack right what and which this happens in history
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if we look in his room you see that happens to all the greatest minds ever you know like whether it was Galileo to
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dr. Terry walls who cured herself of MS to you know the leading neuroscientist
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and the 70s who are considered quacks but now everybody is like you know praising the words neuroscience and your
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plasticity and you know it's the biggest greatest thing but they considered those early founders right these futurist of
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their time you know are all labeled quacks when the masses can't get on board with what they're saying and don't
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even take the time to consider so ya know he does I can't even imagine what you Margaret dr. max Gerson like went
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through trying to teach and and help people with the basic concepts like the food as medicine like it's just
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that must have been quite a journey reading his biography for sure it was it
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was very painful but the the more the more I watched his courage and his
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perseverance in face of that the prouder I was to have done it because this was
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this was an admirable man this was you know for Albert Schweitzer to call him
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the most eminent medical genius ever you know that's going some a Nobel laureate you know and he wasn't just saying that
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like from you know knowing the man like he actually dr. max Gerson taught him the Gerson Therapy him his wife and his
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child I believe and all of them heals isn't that correct like they all to heal themselves of these incurable chronic
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conditions so Schweitzer his wife Elena was she had she had lung tuberculosis
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his his his daughter had something nobody even knew what it was it was that
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rare he just had thousands of little lesions all over her body the hundreds would open every day hundreds would heal
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my mother was my mother was there one you know helping her to wrap and unwrap
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the dressing twice a day and my
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grandfather didn't know what it was either the Gerson Therapy cured it the body know what it was and the body could
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fix it and then Schweitzer himself had sorry age age onset diabeetus type 2
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diabetes and here was a man with four
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PhDs and and brilliant books in each of those disciplines medicine religion music and philosophy and and he he was
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unable to work he was unable to move he was dying at age 75 I think so no 72 72
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and he went to his his friend max Gerson and said can you help me and Gerson said
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certainly easy and and he put him on the Gerson Therapy
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and six weeks later Schweitzer was back working in his jungle hospital in lumber
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aina and then three or three years later he won the Nobel Prize and he easily
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have said no you know what a lot of people do they're like you know food is medicine forget it I believe it I'll just take
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the drugs and and then end up facing those dire consequences of things like that's it except he had watched he had
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watched Gerson cure his wife and his daughter of incurable diseases that he had gone everywhere else for and at the
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end they turned to food that's right so so he trusted Gerson he would they were lifelong friends lifelong friends
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correspondence for their lives and and they so so so Schweitzer lived into his
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90s after having ever died being being on death bed at age 72 we lived into his
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90 so another 20 years working hard and productively so he could be doing we
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don't need to be dying these long painful inflammatory lives like we could
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be living vibrantly in two and then dying just nice and short at the very end which would be you know which is
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what I think most people want prefer the proper way it's the proper way to die the way that your body is built is you
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go to sleep one night you don't wake up that's it yeah exactly so so so he so I
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wrote I wrote this biography and got it published and and then I worked a little
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more in in the in Silicon Valley but
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that no longer had a whole lot of a whole lot of attraction for me but then I also I went to I went to San Diego and
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I acted as as public relations person for the Grossman Institute for my mom
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and arranged all arranged lectures and travels and venues and all kinds of
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things for her and traveled with her and and got to know the the spiel right we got to know the
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the lecture that she did and she would she would give me sections of the lecture to you know to take and you know
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sort of break me in and eventually
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eventually I and that's when I found
1:00:01
that I founded Gerson Gerson media and Cancer Research Wellness Institute and
1:00:08
it started to started to publish my own book start at the pole and then my mother my mother's book was the Gerson
1:00:18
Therapy and she had written it with she had written it with a man named Morton
1:00:24
Walker and and it was published by Kensington in New York City and one
1:00:30
mother started to find you know a few errors in it and wanted to correct them and she wanted to update some of the
1:00:36
recipes and up and some of the something I mean the Gerson Therapy isn't static it you know as as she found things out
1:00:43
she wanted to give those of the patients and this is our flagship book but Kensington said no we just want to sell
1:00:49
paper so they didn't want to correct anything they didn't want to update they didn't want to nothing just wanted to
1:00:55
sell paper so so she said what am I gonna do I can't give that book to patients it's not right as it should be
1:01:02
and and yet we don't have anything else and I said maybe you should write
1:01:08
another book she said but who'll publish it and and I said well I'll do that I
1:01:14
can publish it I looked around and I said sometimes you just do these things
1:01:23
you've never done it before but you just have to bite the bullet and go do it my grandfather my grandfather he gave me a
1:01:30
little push right like that in the back
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then I became a publisher and I had to find I find out all about that and
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published her books and my books and she eventually wrote another book with me
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out of Bishop and that's the book we now sell of the Gerson Therapy called the Gerson
1:01:54
Therapy really no way yeah Healing goes and that netbook has been
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translated into thus far 15 languages the Swedish is about to be published the
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Russian was just published and and the simplified Chinese is is coming up in a
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few months so that's it that'll be almost twenty by the time that's done twenty different one book yeah so and
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yeah even even my book has been translated into into a few languages so
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here's one that's really strange which language is that what does it look like
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oh I want to say Hebrew but maybe not no nope Arabic Arabic of course yes I don't
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know my language do that well it's just from Kuwait Wow and so in your books
1:02:57
been translated into many different languages oh my gosh that's beautiful Japanese and it's food people like
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that's what they're writing about is food and teaching people all over the world how to eat clean real Organic
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plant-based food vegan food so that you can heal your body of cancer and chronic
1:03:17
disease you can prevent disease you can reverse disease you can stop it in its tracks you can undo the damage that's
1:03:22
created by disease so I so this is a when you were talking earlier about you
1:03:28
know medical doctors here in North America that are essentially like they get paid when people are sick that more people are sick the more they get paid
1:03:34
but you just came back from China where the book was translated in Chinese and you were over there speaking to
1:03:39
government officials can you tell us about that and tell us about your trip and also tell us about the medical system over there like you were telling
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me earlier when we were chatting how you know doctors actually get paid when their patients are healthy so yeah
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[Music] that's not anymore but they used to be okay but one there's two things that
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would they have a great advantage in China number one is they own 5,000 years
1:04:05
tradition of traditional Chinese medicine TCM and that is healing those
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healing diseases using herbs and and plants and stuff that grows around you
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you know acupuncture acupressure all kinds of natural means so they and
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conventional allopathic Western medicine has only been around for you know 100 or so years so so so so they are very
1:04:36
inclined they are they're predisposed to accepting that nature can heal the
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natural means can heal so I'm not talking into a into a vacuum I'm talking
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to people who are who have a 5,000 year tradition of natural healing and they're
1:04:57
looking dubiously at a 100 year a 100 year record of Western medicine and what
1:05:07
can you tell us about your trip and what you were doing in China right I was invited I was invited to China by a
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woman who a Texas educated attorney who who lives in Beijing she's a Chinese
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citizens her husband and family live in Houston and she lives half the year in
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Beijing after year in Houston and she was tired of being an attorney for
1:05:33
financial industry and making tons of money and feeling empty and so she she
1:05:40
started looking around at the healing and health and when she find when she
1:05:46
when her research eventually led her to the Gerson Therapy her head exploded and she said this is it this is it I've got
1:05:54
to be part of that and so he founded a she found that a health organization a
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health company in in Beijing and and
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they they they run the seminars much like you do they run weekend retreats
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where people get to sample eating good food detoxifying and you know how good
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makes them feel and so-and-so several of
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the people I met with over there had attended those seminars some of them
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more than once and were just delighted with them the thing is the people that
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were that I met with that had attended these seminars were deputy director of
1:06:41
the Chinese Centers for Disease Control like that's the CDC in charge in charge
1:06:49
of of chronic and non communicable diseases so when I told him about the
1:06:56
Gerson Therapy he had already experienced two of these workshops and he was 100% on my side all the way and
1:07:04
he wants he wants to introduce me to his boss and and then a top TCM traditional
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Chinese medicine oncologist was and his wife who is a professor of pathology
1:07:22
right I was telling them about it and he said you know years ago I did pick up
1:07:27
the Gerson Therapy I found it quite interesting and for some reason I don't know why I put it aside and I haven't
1:07:33
thought about it since but he said I'm rien spired by the way this was this was
1:07:40
a funny one this guy could have been my great-grandfather it was he looked like
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it right and his wife the two of them
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together were you know pretty pretty badly wrecked and in conversation we
1:07:59
were talking and and I discovered that she is one year older than me and he is two years older than me oh my god you
1:08:09
can say about 20 years yeah right so I mean this is person therapy too right
1:08:15
because what we were experiencing what we experienced as aging as normal aging
1:08:21
right is really premature aging because of what we do to our bodies but
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because we don't have to be this we don't have to look or feel this old we
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don't have to die so young if we take care of ourselves because the body will
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heal itself will heal itself so so uh
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you know it was it was pretty amazing when I said when I was telling people how old I was over there I would I would
1:08:51
often see this in the audience like a hundred people in the audience I'd see five or six or eight people go like this
1:08:58
drop it isn't so much about the Gerson Therapy is they really it's it you know
1:09:06
you shave off years of your life literally when you switch to it and you do the therapy like people look 20 years
1:09:11
younger sometimes when they're doing it when they're like in their 50s 60s 70s and then when they're you know 40s 30s
1:09:17
it's amazing they turned like they look like babies again their skin is supple and soft and they're nice wrinkles and
1:09:23
you know I you know I've seen it to you such incredible things like moles and skin tags fall off of you you know they
1:09:29
just like disappear like it's pretty incredible what it does so you know if any reason you know a lot of people like
1:09:35
to do stuff because they'd like to do it to number one lose weight and they like to do it because they want to look
1:09:40
younger and really this is you know it does both of those things if you have weight to lose you'll lose it if you
1:09:46
have weight to gain you'll gain it but you will look younger you'll feel lighter you'll feel so like amazing it's
1:09:52
incredible what it does it's better there's no not a single beauty product out there that can make you look as young and alive as person therapy beauty
1:10:01
what it would are beauty products really they're paint right you're painting a picture of what you would like to look
1:10:06
like on on your face which is probably not in that good of a shape right Plus
1:10:13
which those products themselves are highly poisonous unregulated okay so so
1:10:23
they have phthalates in them they have alum in them they have so they have they
1:10:29
have neurotoxins they have they have carcinogens and what's worst is they
1:10:37
have mutagens in you know what a mutagen is right knee
1:10:43
towards your ene causes birth defects so
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the irony is that the stuff that women paint on their face in order to in order
1:10:54
to attract a mate and make an offspring is the same stuff that will damage that
1:11:01
offspring it's incredible and with the infertility rates now that we're seeing as well like I've you know
1:11:07
done incredible I love following Katherine Alexander's work in she's out of Australia she's been teaching the
1:11:13
Gerson Therapy for about 30 years as well and she works with so many women who can't get pregnant at all and it's
1:11:19
amazing because once they get rid of the beauty products get rid of those household could talk sick cleaning products get rid of the toxic food and
1:11:26
they start eating this incredible real real food what happens is the reproductive systems like snap back and they become alive and awake and even
1:11:33
though they were told they will never have babies like they're not able to produce an offspring all of a sudden
1:11:38
they're pregnant like within three months like it's incredible and then they you know and that's happened to clients of mine before where they like I
1:11:44
can't have babies they do the Gerson Therapy and you know one of my clients has a four-year-old now another one is pregnant she's six months pregnant you
1:11:50
know and so you know my feeling about that is that you know when your body is
1:11:56
not healthy why should you produce a child like why produce an unhealthy being into this world nature has its way
1:12:01
of shutting down that process so your reproductive system is the first one to shut down right it doesn't have enough
1:12:07
nutrients to support life so therefore the baby just can't you know implant itself and grow really so it's amazing
1:12:14
what it does for people who have fertility issues as well and at that cosmic those cosmetic products all that
1:12:20
beauty products that we're trying to keep ourselves young and alive it's not working when we because we're masking it
1:12:27
we're not we're not keeping ourselves young and a young and alive we are painting on a simulacrum of young and
1:12:35
alive yeah exactly but again there's no money to be made in carrots that you you know chew and digest you know there's
1:12:42
not a lot of money to be made from that but there's a heck a lot of money in the cosmetic beauty product world so it
1:12:47
comes back to that same conversation about you know where where is the money to be made and unfortunately it's just not that
1:12:53
sexy marketing a bag of potatoes the
1:12:59
thing the thing that you know III am I don't know I wish I wish sometimes it
1:13:05
wasn't like this I go I go to the supermarket and I look at these you know
1:13:10
magazines for young women 17 and glamour and you know those things right and you
1:13:17
see these blindingly beautiful 18 year olds or 17 year olds looking out of the
1:13:23
of the magazine cover and and I look very carefully and all I can think of is
1:13:31
toxic bag of poison you look at their
1:13:38
eyes you look at their eyes and they're beautiful blue or gray eyes have a the
1:13:45
iris has a ring of dark around it and so it looks intriguing
1:13:50
it looks intriguing and interesting blue eyes are the dark ring around you know
1:13:56
really interesting but what that dark ring is is it shows how toxic their skin
1:14:02
is the periphery of their body okay so and with with models of course I had
1:14:08
lots and lots of makeup right and and they and and you see that dark ring on
1:14:14
the eyes and you're thinking oh god that woman's that that young woman is gonna have such problems by the time she's 25
1:14:21
you know and you can't do anything about it because you don't you tell a girl in Los
1:14:27
Angeles you know oh you know you don't want to you don't want to wear any any makeup you know so talk to the hand
1:14:35
right and you know but what I'm finding is really incredible is I have younger
1:14:41
and younger clients coming to me which is actually it's sad in a way because they're sick and they have these
1:14:47
diseases that really they should not be getting until they're or ever if ever but usually they're adult like adil
1:14:54
onset diseases that come in when you're 60 or 70 you know like really the diseases of the elderly I mean you're 75
1:15:01
but you're not elderly in my opinion at all Howard so
1:15:07
but you know these young kids are coming but what I love that we teach workshops in high schools and elementary school
1:15:13
students and these kids get it and they're like they're picking up the phone after the workshop and telling
1:15:18
their parents like okay we're only eating organic now and we're not eating meat anymore and you know and they get
1:15:24
it because they don't want to be living on these drugs and they don't want to be sick and they don't want to have arthritis at 21 years old and you know
1:15:29
diabetes at 22 years old and ms at 23 like so I think there's like I'm hoping
1:15:35
anyway that there is a movement and unfortunately it feels like it's only coming about because these young kids
1:15:41
like some kids is three years old that are being diagnosed with you know adult onset diseases when you can when you
1:15:48
consider that you know years ago the number one killer of children was accidents yeah and not even all that
1:15:55
many years ago now the number one killer of children under 18 is cancer and
1:16:01
cancer used to be a disease of degeneration and age now I said now it's
1:16:07
a disease because people are so so deficient and so toxic that that they're
1:16:14
getting and getting it at four or five ten years old yeah diabetes type two diabetes at ten years old and ms @ Nino
1:16:21
10 years old it's it's astounding so here you are okay let's go back to China because here you are talking to me these
1:16:27
you know health officials and like I'm just trying to picture myself in Canada like having Trudeau come to our retreat
1:16:33
center and stay there for six days and do coffee enemas and drink cold-pressed juices and eat like plant-based
1:16:39
beautiful cooked meals and you know I just I mean I would love it and you know he can take that back to Parliament and
1:16:45
you know see the changes we can make in Health Canada here but you know when I find though is it I know you mentioned
1:16:51
in one of our conversations you know that we had before just about how you know there's this perception that Canada
1:16:57
is you know progressive because we had Tommy Douglas who created this socialized medical system and you're
1:17:03
from the states you know we're socialized Medicare has not been around and unfortunately people have to pay
1:17:08
through the nose for their for their healthcare but what I find though is that non-stop yep I will not I refuse
1:17:18
thought to discuss it as healthcare it is not healthcare it is sickness care it
1:17:23
is medical care if you if you actually go to them that for something to support
1:17:28
your health they'll laugh at you yeah no it's true but the same is here in Canada
1:17:34
as well there is really no difference other than the fact that you don't have to pay out of your nose to like get
1:17:40
treated by a doctor up here but you don't really get treated you know like it's the first choice is just to
1:17:45
prescribe medication if you say I'm gonna switch to a plant-based diet like the Gerson Therapy you're kind of laughed at and you're told that it won't
1:17:52
work like if you know so you know whether we have socialized you know medicine here in Canada and you know in
1:17:57
not in the States really there's no difference though in how we're approached and so here you are in China talking to these you know influential
1:18:04
people who can potentially you know change the face of medicine in China and
1:18:09
you know we're what were you saying is there what a hundred million people have diabetes in China million people with
1:18:14
diabetes 100 million people with arthritis and a couple of hundred million people with hypertension yeah
1:18:21
it's incredible so there and here you are you're meeting with them you're you know giving presentations and they're
1:18:26
open to it they're open to medicine and here's and here's why well I already
1:18:32
talked to you about the traditional Chinese medicine so they have a predilection for believing in nature's
1:18:40
power to heal but on top of it the Chinese government also pays for the
1:18:45
medical care and and the pharmaceutical companies do not have the kind of strong
1:18:52
corrupt foothold here sorry in China as they do here or in Canada so so so the
1:19:02
government is looking at their budget and they're seeing a hundred million people with diabetes and how much is
1:19:07
that gonna cost us and a hundred pound two million more people with arthritis how much is that going to cost us and if
1:19:13
we go with with Western pharmaceutical medicine we're looking at the USA and as
1:19:18
who's going down the tubes because because the medical expenses going up and up and up and the effectiveness is
1:19:25
going down and down and down so so these people are actually interested
1:19:31
in preventing disease because then they can keep these people productive and they can keep them paying taxes rather
1:19:38
than being a drain on the economy and this way they can pump more money into you know SuperSpeed trains and and
1:19:45
windmills and and development of solar panels and they're doing all of that by
1:19:51
the way and even put it in their own pockets I don't care but but they're not going to be spending it with you know on
1:19:58
an ineffective and dangerous deadly drugs yeah I love that you say about paying taxes because their doctor a time
1:20:06
home for some Saskatchewan you know he was a leading you know medical doctor in Canada I believe he and max Gerson even
1:20:13
knew each other or at least they cross paths and you know they knew each other he was an
1:20:20
associate he was an associate of Linus Pauling yes and so he and Linus Pauling
1:20:26
founded the orthomolecular medicine Society at light and and Hoffer actually
1:20:32
who wrote the foreword to my book oh that's right yes that's why I first
1:20:37
heard I think about dr. Abraham popper as well and the you know I loved his definition of health was you know he
1:20:44
worked with a lot of people in schizophrenia you know and other mental health illnesses and was able to use you
1:20:49
know high-dose nutrient therapy s and food and clean diet to get them healthy and he his definition of health was he
1:20:56
said was when they can return to work and start paying taxes which I just think is a beautiful story when they can
1:21:02
return to work and start paying taxes oh yeah absolutely
1:21:10
we don't believe we don't believe there is such a thing as mental illness okay
1:21:15
there's no such thing as mental illness what we have is physical illness a chemical imbalance that manifests in the
1:21:23
brain and causes dysfunction you clean up that imbalance you clean up the poise
1:21:28
the toxins the toxicity and and the mental mental disease goes away it just
1:21:35
goes away so quick so schizophrenia and
1:21:43
and manic depressive behavior and clinical depression they just go away so
1:21:49
so it's not it's not a mental disease it's a physical disease that when you
1:21:54
start feeding the body correctly and giving it the amount of oxygen and
1:22:00
oxidation enzymes it needs then your brain will return to perfectly normal
1:22:06
functioning very quickly amazing so you just got back from China and you're
1:22:12
running Gerson media and you interviewed me we had an hour-long conversation which I just had you know so much fun
1:22:18
chatting with you and you have all of these incredible interviews through Gerson media that anybody can go on and
1:22:25
you know listen to any of the interviews you've done over the years you've interviewed incredible people who are
1:22:31
doing you know you talk about the food desert the one gentleman remind me of the same down in Virginia Washington DC
1:22:39
Oh dr. Baruch yes exactly you know I think did you ever chat with
1:22:46
him no but I want to definitely you are my first interview that I've done like
1:22:53
this using faces so now that I've nailed down the technology we know how we're going to do it I'm definitely like he's next on my
1:23:00
listing and it because his story is incredible and we don't have enough time to chat about it but I just love the
1:23:05
story of like people coming in and getting their juice and having to pull out their handgun and put it on the counter to be able to get their change
1:23:11
you know in these food deserts just to be able to get there like beautiful organic pressed juice and food you know
1:23:17
it's a great story so we'll put the link up to that because I want people to hear it and also just to get familiar with
1:23:22
person media and listen to those interviews because you like I love the work that you're doing so now you're back from China so what are your plans
1:23:28
over the next few years like what projects are you working on and you know mics and the horizon for you well my my
1:23:35
my host over in China is interested in
1:23:41
starting a starting a joint venture over there with me to to provide Gerson
1:23:47
Therapy and you know Gerson clinic Seguros in therapy and the substance is the the
1:23:54
the supplements the devices the juicers the organic food and so forth to a
1:24:02
country of 1.3 billion people okay I think like nobody is doing it nobody but
1:24:11
can you imagine if the government accepts that as a as a strong modality
1:24:16
for healing chronic diseases oh my god I mean I talked to the right guy the deputy director for chronic and non non
1:24:25
communicable diseases he's the guy for the whole country and the reason they put him into the national position was
1:24:31
he was in a regional position and he did such a good job of improving the health of the people in his region that they
1:24:37
said I want you to do this for the whole country and he's sitting at the table with me and agreeing with me about
1:24:43
everything I say so you know what an opportunity what an opportunity rolling
1:24:53
over in his grave right now just being like China that's huge and so and so
1:25:02
there's there's all kinds of all kinds of initiatives going on over there that
1:25:09
that that are you know and one of the things that that malli wanted me over
1:25:14
there for was that I'm the first first member of the Gerson family to come over
1:25:20
there and talk about therapy Wow first member of the Gerson family to go to
1:25:25
China because my niece my niece who is a world-class musician a world-class
1:25:31
violinist been going over there for four
1:25:37
years or five years and performing with Philharmonic Orchestra's over there so
1:25:43
so it's quite a you know but but I'm the first guy to talk first from my family
1:25:49
to talk about the Gerson Therapy over there and so I was treated I was like a like a celebrity like Brad Pitt or
1:25:55
something yeah you know it like honestly like I don't idolize any of these movie stars or anybody like that but you know
1:26:01
my you know my one and only Idol in this world next to like the Einstein and the Gandhis and you know litter
1:26:07
is max gerson you know if I had to build a shrine his picture is going up on that shrine as well because you know what
1:26:13
he's done for science you know even before like he was able to actually prove it because the microscopes just
1:26:18
didn't even exist to be able to and the technology didn't exist to be able to see what he was able to directly see
1:26:24
happening in the human body like through observation and you know and he and I love that he used his body as a living
1:26:30
laboratory he tested it on himself he thought he was an educator he was a doctor he was a researcher the
1:26:36
scientists like you know not a lot of people go to the extremes that he went to to really test his theories and you
1:26:43
know to see them working and put them in action and and then on the side you know having to fight off the MA and all of
1:26:51
these people who were coming out there escaped the Nazis and the Nazis yeah I
1:26:57
think it's an incredible story like read Howard's book and read everything you can about dr. max Gerson because like
1:27:02
you know he literally had to fight off the Nazis as well and like you had to flee Nazi Germany to be able to make it
1:27:08
to New York and then still had to battle the AMA which you know some might say is equivalent to the Nazis so yeah his
1:27:16
story is epic I can't wait for the movie to come out it's gonna be phenomenal and
1:27:21
you know I think we're gonna wrap up this interview because we can chat I'm sure forever you and I like I will speak
1:27:27
for eons and this you know Roger account
1:27:39
lost you
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I wasn't I lost you there for a few moments I
1:27:54
lost you too but we're back so I just was asking if there's any you know words of wisdom you know and absolutely only
1:28:00
words the flow from your mouth our wisdom so that you want to leave our viewers with its when it comes to you
1:28:06
know if they are let's say they are you know just you know not believing that the food is medicine you know what sort
1:28:12
of information you want to leave with them so that they can hopefully start taking action today and not waiting until they hit rock bottom I won't quote
1:28:19
my grandfather directly stay close to nature and her eternal laws will protect
1:28:25
you that is you know underlying not just
1:28:30
not just food but everything else in your in your world as well from water to
1:28:36
air to to to cosmetics to skin creams
1:28:41
and preparations and everything else to stay close to nature and her eternal
1:28:47
laws will protect you beautiful and so
1:28:52
accurate yeah because once you experience that you can never go back so you will never resist fight against
1:28:59
nature you only want to work with nature from there on in so Howard you are an
1:29:04
incredible human being it has been such an honor to have you be our first interviewee on this show I look forward
1:29:12
to years and years of just you and I being able to converse and go back and forth I look forward to more of your books coming out I really hope to see
1:29:19
that you can write all about what it's like to influence China and get them to return back to those laws of nature and
1:29:26
I can't wait for those projects unfold and we'll be up to updating our viewers on everything that you're doing as well
1:29:32
everyone please go on to person media listen to Howard's interviews get his books we'll put the links up for those
1:29:38
and you know if you need help learning how to eat to beat disease have you used food as medicine how to do the Gerson
1:29:43
Therapy you know where to find us at the green mustache at which your health I'm sure you can get in touch with Howard
1:29:49
stars directly as well through his website and you can learn directly from
1:29:54
max Carson's grandson this incredible man who's done incredible things in this world and I'm really looking forward to
1:30:01
you know a continued long vibrant life getting thank you very much what a what a lovely
1:30:08
lovely honorific that that you just gave me so thank you so much for that and I'm
1:30:13
honored to be your first interview on this show Thank You Howard thank you it went really well so I'll be sending you
1:30:19
the link as well and you feel free to use it anywhere and we're going to be posting this it'll go on to YouTube it'll go on to Facebook so you'll be
1:30:25
able to access it as well and yes let's continue to chat Howard later in the
1:30:32
future and goodbye for now goodbye